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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jul 12, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove protest -- A Call to Action -- July 11 & 12. 2009

Seriously, men can't get together in the wilderness by themselves? Yes I'm sure that the compound is luxurious but give me a break. People need to take a chill pill and start worrying about more serious problems.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 12, 2009 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove protest -- A Call to Action -- July 11 & 12. 2009

I don't care that Billy and Mickey go, and have even posted before that I had the opportunity to go that I certainly would because it would be fascinating to rub shoulders with some of the participants. Also, I'd like to heckle Steve Miller during his set.

However, while everyone wants folks to "chill out" and
"get a life", perhaps they need to understand that what sets folks off about this and draws out the activists is that this is a place where it "appears" major policy international and domestic policy ideas get proposed and fleshed out among major political, corporate and media figures. I'm not saying it's more than rich guys getting drunk and pissing on redwoods, but the list of speakers and members published by the club makes it pretty clear these guys aren't just doing arts and crafts. And while I accept the argument that a relaxed setting where the world's elite discuss policy issues may actually allow them to come to more reasoned decisions and that familiarity among such people can ease negotiations and increase dialogue, I also accept the argument that these people are (perhaps) making decisions with far ranging implications and deep impacts on all of us without any public participation. Just food for thought. I understand these same guys rub shoulders at the G8, Davos, walking around the halls of powers, etc...

But don't take me too seriously - my office is next door to the CIA Director's son.

And if a Supreme Court justice nominee is forced to drop out of Belizean Grove, it does give you pause....


http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/Bohemian_Grove_members_list.htm

Partial list of talks and speakers:

2006:
Friday, July 14: "GLOBAL FINANCIAL WARRIORS"
by John Taylor, Bohemian and Professor of Economics at Stanford

Monday, July 17: "UNTOLD TALES FROM THE COLD WAR"
Tom Reed, Bohemian & former Secretary of the Air Force

Tuesday, July 18: "ENERGY, CO2 and CLIMATE CHANGE
Lynn Orr, Director Global Climate & Energy Project, Stanford

Wednesday, July 19: "GULF COAST EROSION: CONSEQUENCES FOR AMERICA"
King Milling, Chm. Louisiana Governor's Coastal Restoration & Conservation Committee

Friday, July 21: "AMERICA IN A NEW WORLD" Fareed Zakaria, Editor: Newsweek

Tuesday, July 25: "ISLAND CONSERVATION WITH GUNS, TRAPS & POISON
Bernie Tershy, Research Biologist Institute of Marine Sciences, U.C. Santa Cruz

Wednesday, July 26: 'THE PARALLELISM & ULTIMATE CONVERGENCE OF SCIENCE
& RELIGION, Charles Townes, Bohemian & Scientist

Thursday, July 27: "GLOBAL URBANIZATION: A CHALLENGE FOR THE FUTURE",
Richard Koshalek, President, Art Center College of Design, Pasadena
"THESE EUROPEANS: DO THEY UNDERSTAND US? OR ANYTHING?"
Andrew Knight, Bohemian and Editor

Friday, July 28: "LESSONS LEARNED FROM WAR, ASSASSINATION, THE WHITE
HOUSE & HOLLYWOOD", Jack Valenti, past president, Motion Picture Ass. Of America

Saturday, July 29: "FROM BATTLEFIELDS TO PLAYING FIELDS-ECONOMICS,
ENERGY & EDUCATION", Colin Powell, Bohemian & Soldier/Statesman

2003:
"AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM"--Chris Mathews, Bohemian Member & Television Journalist

VOUCHER WARS"--Clint Bolick Vice President of the Institute for Justice--Arizona Chapter

BE CREATIVE OR DIE: WHAT PEOPLE, COMPANIES & CITIES MUST DO TO FLOURISH"Richard Florida-Economics Prof.Carnegie Mellon

Wednesday, July 16 12:30 PM: "WAR IN A CLASSICAL CONTEXT" Victor Davis Hanson, California State University, Fresno

Thursday, July 17 12:30 PM:"ART VERSUS SCIENCE; INTUITION VERSUS INTELLECT CREATIVITY & THE ORDERLY ENTERPRISE" Robert Lutz, V.P. General Motors Corp.

Friday, July 18 12:30 PM:"THE VIEW FROM THE TABLE-& OTHER CONVERSATIONS" Charlie Rose, Television Journalist (so much for liberals!!)

Saturday, July 19 4:30 PM: "A CHANGED WORLD" George P. Shultz, formerly of Becktel, Secretary of State under Reagan & current Hoover Institute Fellow

Sunday, July 20 12:30 PM:"CLIMATE FORECAST-CONTINUED WARMING BUT WITH A BIG CHILL" Bob Gagosian, President, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute

Sunday, July 20 3:30 PM: "AT WAR-DRAMATIC READINGS OF STORIES FROM THE FRONT LINES BY AMBROSE BIERCE"

Monday, July 21 12:30 PM: "THE SCOTTISH ENLIGHTENMENT'S IMPACT ON OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING" Robert Galvin, Ret. Chairman & CEO of Motorola Corp.

"9/11 DID THE TERRORISTS EXPECT THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS TO FALL?" Ian Mackinlay, Bohemian member & Architect

July 24 12:30 PM: "AMERICAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONS-IS THE HONEYMOON OVER?" Michael McFaul, Political Science Prof. Stanford Unv.

Friday, July 25 12:30 PM: "TITLE TO BE ANNOUNCED" William Safire--Columnist

Saturday, July 26 10:30 AM: "THE QUEST FOR IMMORTALITY" Joseph Weiss M.D., Clinical Professor of Medicine, Unv. of California, San Diego

Saturday, July 26 12:30 PM: "TERMINAL THOUGHTS" William F. Buckley Jr., Bohemian member and Author (and long time elitist thinker)


2002

July 16
FRED STARR (Policy Institute Chairman)
Topic: "Any Good News from Afghanastan & Central Asia?"

2001
July 15
DANIEL KAMMEN (Prof. of Energy Unv. of Calif. Berkeley)
Topic: "The Coming Energy Transition"

July 19
RICHARD MULLER (Prof. Physics Unv. of Calif. Berkeley)
Topic: "Military Secrets of the Ocean, Atmosphere & UFOs

2000
July 18
JAMES R. LILLEY, Former Ambassador to China & Korea
"China, Taiwan & the U.S. in the 21st Century"

July 21
MARTIN ANDERSON, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution
"Status of Missile Defense"

July 22
JOHN MAJOR, Former Prime Minister of England
"World View"

July 29
HENRY KISSINGER, Former Secretary of State in Reagan Administration
"Do We Need a Foreign Policy?"

1999
July 16
DAVID BRODER, Author & Syndicated Columnist
"Direct Democracy--Curse or Blessing?"

July 20
JOHN SPENCER
"Africa--Are We Wasting Our Time?"

July 21
FRANK POPOFF, Chairman of the Board of DOW Corporation
"Environmental Journey"

1998
July 17
WILLIAM PERRY, former Secretary of Defense
"Preventive Defense & American Security...21st Century"

July 18
LOU GERSTNER, Chairman & CEO of IBM Corporation
"The Networked World: Are We Ready For It?"

August 1
JAMES A. BAKER lll, Former Secretary of State in Reagan Administration
"The Imperative of American Leadership"

1997
July 11
AMB. JAMES WOOLSEY, former CIA Director
"Rogues, Terrorists..:National Security in the Next Century"

July 15
CHRISTOPHER DeMUTH
"The Triumph of the Market & the Politics of Affluence"

July 25
ANTONIN SCALIA, Sitting Justice-U.S. Supreme Court
"CHURCH, STATE & THE CONSTITUTION"

1996
July 13
GOV. PETE WILSON, Governor of California
"Keeping Faith With Leland Stanford"

July 16
DAVID M. KENNEDY, Author & U.S. History Professor
"Can the U.S. Still Afford to be a Nation of Immigrants?"

July 25
GEORGE P. SHULTZ, Bechtel Exec. & Secretary of State-Reagan administration

1995
July 20
ROBERT NOVAK, Conservative Columnist
"Behind the Beltway-How the GOP is transforming Washington's Tribal Society"

July 21
ALEX J. MANDL (Executive V.P. AT&T)
Topic: "Communications & Weaving Spiders -- the Complex Web of Futuristic communications"

July 22
NEWT GINGRICH, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives
Topic Unknown (surprise speaker)

July 29
GEORGE BUSH SR., Former President of the U.S.A.
"Reflections: Past, Present and Future"

1993
July 17
CASPAR W. WEINBERGER, Secretary of Defense--Reagan Administration
"The World and Mr. Clinton"

July 28
CHARLES W. HOSTLER
"Desert Storms Aftermath"

1992
July 18
RICHARD NIXON, Past President of U.S.A.
Topic Unknown

July 22
GEN. VERNON WALTERS, involved in CIA coup in Chile
"Integration of the European Economic Community"

July 24
PRINCE BANDAR BIN SULTAN
"Middle East Peace Process"

1991
July 20
JOHN LEHMAN, Secretary of the Navy in Reagan Administration
Topic: "Smart Weapons"

July 20
HELMUT SCHMIDT, Former Chancellor of Germany
"The Enormous Problems of the 21st Century"

July 22
ELLLIOT RICHARDSON, Secretary of Defense/Attorney General in Nixon Administration
"Defining a New World Order"

July 26
RICHARD CHENEY, Secretary of Defense in Bush Sr. Administration
"Major Defense Problems of the 21st Century"

July 17
GEORGE SHULTZ, Secretary of State in Reagan administration
Topic: "Agenda for America"

1989
July 14
FRANK BORMAN (Astronaut)
"The Future of the U.S. in Manned Space Flight"

July 22
MICHEL ROCARD, Prime Minister of France
"Europe: 1992......"

July 28
MALCOLM FORBES, Industrialist
"Who's On First?"

1986
July 17
SIDNEY D. DRELL
Topic: "Arms Control and Star Wars"

July 19
WILLIAM H. WEBSTER, Director of the F.B.I.
"Spies and Terrorists: Confronting the Enemies Within"

July 21
ALEX HALEY, Author of Roots
"Why Am I Here?"

July 25
DAVID PACKARD, Co-founder of Hewlitt Packard
"A Presidential Commission"

1983
July 17
EDMUND W. LITTLEFIELD (C.E.O. General Electric/Utah Mining)
"Enjoying the Corporate Climb"

July 21
A.W. CLAUSEN (C.E.O. Bank of America/President: World Bank)
"The Global Economy--Time to Get Out of the Woods"

July 22
FRED HENDERSON lll
Topic: "Commercial Opportunities in Space: the Next Decade"

July 25
ADM. ROBERT FOLEY
"World Naval Power"

1981
July 16
MARVIN L. GOLDBERGER
Topic: "Space War-Fact vs. Fancy"

July 17
JOHN SWEARINGEN, Chair of the Bd. Standard Oil of Indiana
"Energy 1981"

July 17
CASPER WEINBERGER, Secretary of Defense: Reagan Administration
"Rearming America"

1980
July 24
GEORGE LENCZOWSKI
"The Persian Gulf Crisis"

July 25
FRED HARTLEY, C.E.O. Union Oil
"Oil"

July 26
EDWARD TELLER, Scientist & Father of the H bomb
"Nuclear Energy"

August 1
FERDINAND GRAF VON GALEN
"World Bank and International Monetary Systems"

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 12, 2009 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove protest -- A Call to Action -- July 11 & 12. 2009

Your exactly right and that's exactly why the libs have the annual Renaissance meeting at Hilton Head Island. Neither the Grove or the Renaissance meetings get much press, but face it, some policy gets bought and sold at these events and there is no transparency involved.

Given that conservatives believe that liberals can do much harm to the world, and vice-versa, it will always stir up a lot of hot shit. Depends on who is in office at the time.

IMO there's a bunch of scarier shit going on that has nothing to do with party politics. "Follow the Money."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ku5u6X6LmM

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 12, 2009 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove protest -- A Call to Action -- July 11 & 12. 2009

The point for me is, that all of us should be asking ourselves this question: Do you want your grandchildren's grandchildren to know that You answered, "I don't care about them," when you were asked to consider their future lives on Our Planet?

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